Wednesday, August 12, 2009

Moyer doesn't get too much sympathy from Philly sports talk radio - tonight would have been Moyer's 11th win

Lidge should be the focus, but the Phillies have more pitchers now than common sense




Jamie Moyer was mad. He has every right to be mad. If you listened to the local sports radio shows in the Philadelphia area though, he didn't get too much support from too many people. Comments ranged from, 'spoiled' to 'he stinks' to 'he already makes a lot of money, what's he crying about.' So much for loyal fan support. Moyer was shelved to make room for Pedro Martinez, and of course the Phillies came out and brought the offense out tonight and blew out the Cubs early. Did Pedro earn the win tonight?


The fact of the matter is that Jamie has been one of the most consistent pitchers that the Phillies have had in the past two seasons. May I remind you that last year Moyer was 16-7 with a 3.71 ERA? He led the team in wins last year. Moyer's ERA this year has been high as has just about every other starter on the team. What is that 5.47 ERA mean that Jamie Moyer holds right now? Well lets look at the stats: Moyer gave up 148 hits in 123 innings pitched. Let's look at Cole Hamels, he has given up 144 hits in 128 innings pitched, his ERA is 4.77. The totals for Earned Runs given up to date by Jamie is 75 and Cole Hamels total to date is 68. So Jamie may have given up a few more runs overall so far but is that really all that bad? I don't think so. If you say Jamie is having a bad year, the same should be said about Hamels. What do you say to a person that say pitching wins don't matter? So people actually believe that, I don't know why. Between Cole and Moyer, they have 17 total wins. Jamie has 10 wins and Hamels 7. If the same people say that pitching wins don't matter, I wonder if they feel if losses matter.... hmmm.



We'll examine more stats to make you think twice about Jamies year so far for pitching, he has 9 losses, but his ERA has been screwed up by giving up 7 earned runs in a couple starts this year, but he hasn't been as bad as some people believe.



No one except for local sports talker Howard Eskin, from WIP Radio, voiced major concerns about the other pitching areas in which the Phillies need help in. Brad Lidge should be concern number one.


Tonight's line on Martinez:
IP - 5.0 / Hits- 7 / Earned Runs- 3 / ERA 5.40
Should you be happy about this start?




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1 comment:

  1. So, you'd rather address my comments on this forum? OK. Martinez gave up 3 ER in 5 IP. Not great, but definitely OK for getting off the couch about 4 weeks ago.

    You pointed out how many runs and hits Hamels and Moyer have given up. Hamels has walked fewer people, and those 4 fewer hits in 5 more innings is sort of meaningful. Hamels also has earned more Ks than Moyer. Strikeout pitchers have proven to last longer, and be more effective in their careers than pitchers that rely on contact. Relying on a batter to make contact relies on a great deal of luck.

    Any intelligent person, or someone who has knowledge of even rudimentary sabermetrics will tell you that pitching Ws are a very hollow statistic. Yes, team wins matter, but just because one gives up fewer runs than their opponent doesn't necessarily mean one pitched well. See Jamie Moyer's start on July 9th where he allowed 6 runs in 5 IP (3 more runs than Pedro allowed to the Cubs) to the REDS, and you will see that Moyer's "W" doesn't mean all that much. Robin Roberts could have won that day.

    If I said "pitching Wins don't matter", then that's not exactly what I meant. Using pitching wins to defend a pitcher is awful. They are a hollow stat. Tim Lincecum hasn't received a decision in a game where he allowed 0 R in 8 IP. Twice he has received a ND when allowing 1 ER in 7 IP. Clearly these starts are worthy of wins. Pitching wins rely heavily on a players offense (certainly not a measure of one's own pitching).

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