Monday, August 10, 2009

Moyer banished to the bullpen, Amaro opts to go with untested "Pedro"

Moyer to pen, for untested Pedro Martinez





I am writing this blog post and filing it under the 'strange' moves that the Phillies have made recently. Jamie Moyer is the odd man out in the rush to put Pedro Martinez on the mound in a Phillies uniform. Yes, he's been criticized like every other Phillies pitcher this year, but I think Jamie deserved better than this back door move by the Phillies top brass.

The rumor was rampant for weeks, who's going to the pen to make room for Pedro? First of all why do we have to make room for Pedro Martinez? You have a guy that pitched his heart out in Jamie Moyer last year and this year, and you hire some washed up ex-Met and Boston Red Sox pitcher, and all of a sudden he becomes more important than Jamie Moyer? I think that sucks.


The last time I checked, Jamie Moyer was the Phillies ace in wins, and on Sunday he did give up 11 hits but he only gave up 2 ER's. It was the Phillies woeful offense, and stupidity on the field that lost the game for the Phils on this day. Moyer has 10 wins for the Phillies, the most of any pitcher on the staff. The Phillies didn't just win those games for Jamie, they were actually earned by Jamie. Maybe he could file an 'age discrimination' suit against Manuel and Amaro.


These are the types of moves that can really make the fans mad. You have a total great guy in Jamie Moyer, a real seasoned veteran and you move him on. You're not supposed to do that to a veteran like Moyer. If anyone deserved a bump, it may have been Cole Hamels. Hamels has been inconsistant reguarly and couldn't have been banished to either the pen or a stint in the minors as Brett Myers did a few years ago. Another reason you don't bump Moyer is salary, he's earning more than $8 million dollars this season. That's like taking a CEO of a company and telling him, "I want you to sweep up the office and empty the trash as you new company duties, but were still paying you the same high wage".


We'll see if this move pans out, I don't think it will. The Phillies fans who filled Citizen's Bank Park wouldn't have liked this move, and I'm sure it was done just because the team headed out of town for now, but they'll be back and Pedro will pitch at Philly eventually. Will he help this team? Maybe if the offense wakes up it will help this team.


Here are a couple stats to ponder in this move. So far at the start of today there are 34 pitchers in the MLB with wins of 10 or more this season. Not one of them was moved to the bullpen or would even be considered to be moved to the bullpen for doing 'well'. Moyer has less walks so far than SF Giants, Tim Lincecum. To be fair Lincecum has pitched a few more innings than Moyer, but I am trying to bring up a point that Moyer isn't all that bad for a 46 year old pitcher, and only 34 pitchers have won 10 or more games so far, and Jamie is one of them.

All 34 pitchers with 10 or more wins or more this season as of today....


1 Tim Lincecum 198 12 2009 25 SFG NL 23 23 4 2 0 3 .800 0 163.2 129 47 40 42 2.20 196 6 658 602 27 1 1 3 6 5 5 15 3 0 0 7 .214 .267 .292 .559 0 2484 1617 2 Justin Verlander 186 12 2009 26 DET AL 24 24 3 1 0 6 .667 0 159.1 143 68 61 46 3.45 132 14 657 598 35 2 4 3 6 3 7 4 8 2 4 5 .239 .295 .375 .670 0 2619 1753
3
Javier Vazquez 171 10 2009 32 ATL NL 23 23 1 0 0 7 .588 0 155.1 129 53 50 32 2.90 144 13 618 573 23 5 0 2 9 2 7 6 4 0 0 4 .225 .268 .351 .619 0 2394 1597
4
Zack Greinke 167 11 2009 25 KCR AL 23 23 5 2 0 7 .611 0 159.1 150 51 43 33 2.43 180 7 646 600 35 4 0 3 7 3 15 4 6 1 0 5 .250 .291 .357 .648 0 2446 1547
5
Yovani Gallardo 158 10 2009 23 MIL NL 23 23 1 0 0 9 .526 0 147.1 118 59 58 70 3.54 119 17 622 544 32 2 3 4 4 0 8 13 2 0 0 6 .217 .311 .377 .688 0 2474 1484
6
Danny Haren 153 11 2009 28 ARI NL 23 23 3 1 0 7 .611 0 161 120 49 46 23 2.57 176 17 625 594 28 2 1 3 3 2 9 12 1 0 0 4 .202 .235 .342 .577 0 2399 1587
7
Felix Hernandez 148 12 2009 23 SEA AL 23 23 1 1 0 4 .750 0 158.1 139 58 50 49 2.84 152 12 657 593 19 1 0 6 3 6 14 12 6 1 1 13 .234 .297 .331 .628 0 2440 1556
8
Adam Wainwright 146 13 2009 27 STL NL 24 24 1 0 0 7 .650 0 165 157 55 50 53 2.73 153 13 696 630 23 1 1 2 7 4 14 8 4 1 0 7 .249 .308 .351 .659 0 2565 1640
9
Chad Billingsley 143 11 2009 24 LAD NL 24 24 0 0 0 6 .647 0 149.2 125 67 62 66 3.73 112 10 621 532 25 2 7 6 8 9 13 5 7 1 0 11 .235 .321 .346 .667 0 2479 1529
10
Josh Beckett 139 13 2009 29 BOS AL 22 22 3 2 0 4 .765 0 150 129 59 52 41 3.12 151 10 610 558 27 2 1 4 3 4 13 12 2 0 1 0 .231 .287 .341 .628 0 2350 1531
11
Johan Santana 138 13 2009 30 NYM NL 23 23 0 0 0 8 .619 0 153 138 60 51 45 3.00 141 18 642 586 31 1 3 2 6 2 6 1 2 2 0 1 .235 .291 .384 .675 0 2388 1639
12
Roy Halladay 138 12 2009 32 TOR AL 22 22 5 1 0 5 .706 0 165 158 55 50 21 2.73 160 14 657 626 29 0 0 3 1 6 16 14 3 0 0 2 .252 .277 .366 .643 0 2302 1595
13
Jered Weaver 137 12 2009 26 LAA AL 23 23 3 1 0 3 .800 0 149.2 130 65 62 47 3.73 122 20 620 558 32 2 1 3 4 8 2 13 5 2 0 2 .233 .292 .405 .697 0 2351 1506
14
Wandy Rodriguez 131 11 2009 30 HOU NL 23 23 1 1 0 6 .647 0 143.2 127 47 40 46 2.51 167 15 586 530 27 1 5 4 4 2 20 1 1 0 1 2 .240 .304 .379 .683 0 2349 1501
15
Josh Johnson 129 11 2009 25 FLA NL 23 23 2 0 0 2 .846 0 154 132 52 50 37 2.92 143 9 624 571 15 4 5 5 9 2 11 10 5 0 0 9 .231 .283 .319 .602 0 2350 1532
16
Matt Cain 124 12 2009 24 SFG NL 23 23 4 0 0 4 .750 0 155 125 44 42 56 2.44 177 16 624 555 21 4 4 1 8 4 11 8 6 0 0 8 .225 .295 .364 .659 0 2359 1543
17
A.J. Burnett 123 10 2009 32 NYY AL 22 22 0 0 0 5 .667 0 139.2 120 61 57 71 3.67 121 15 600 513 20 2 0 9 2 4 14 17 9 1 0 14 .234 .335 .368 .703 0 2341 1394
18
C.C. Sabathia 123 12 2009 28 NYY AL 24 24 2 1 0 7 .632 0 162.2 145 72 68 45 3.76 118 14 664 603 32 5 4 7 4 5 17 9 6 2 0 5 .240 .298 .380 .678 0 2543 1633
19
Carl Pavano 93 10 2009 33 TOT AL 22 22 1 1 0 8 .556 0 132.2 155 80 75 23 5.09 89 19 561 526 27 4 0 5 1 6 15 20 6 0 0 4 .295 .327 .470 .797 0 2022 1352
20
Ricky Romero 90 10 2009 24 TOR AL 18 18 0 0 0 5 .667 0 115.2 114 47 47 44 3.66 119 13 481 430 26 1 0 4 2 1 18 3 5 3 1 4 .265 .338 .421 .759 0 1823 1111
21
Chris Carpenter 87 11 2009 34 STL NL 18 18 2 0 0 3 .786 0 123.2 101 32 31 19 2.26 185 7 478 447 18 4 0 5 5 2 14 1 3 0 0 1 .226 .264 .331 .595 0 1667 1114
22
Bronson Arroyo 82 10 2009 32 CIN NL 23 23 2 1 0 11 .476 0 144.2 159 88 81 52 5.04 88 25 635 564 30 2 6 7 8 4 14 10 5 0 0 1 .282 .348 .475 .823 0 2343 1444
23
Mark Buehrle 81 11 2009 30 CHW AL 23 23 1 1 0 6 .647 0 152.2 150 70 66 30 3.89 120 20 617 569 27 4 1 5 8 5 20 1 1 2 1 2 .264 .304 .431 .735 0 2283 1472
24
Jeff Niemann 77 10 2009 26 TBR AL 21 20 2 2 1 5 .667 0 120.2 116 54 50 40 3.73 122 12 507 455 23 1 0 6 2 4 11 17 4 0 0 5 .255 .321 .389 .710 0 1893 1196
25
Kevin Slowey 75 10 2009 25 MIN AL 16 16 0 0 0 3 .769 0 90.2 113 50 49 15 4.86 85 15 394 366 24 1 1 5 3 5 6 10 3 0 0 3 .309 .340 .503 .843 0 1425 979
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Cnt Player **SO** W Year Age Tm Lg G GS CG SHO GF L W-L% SV IP H R ER BB ERA ERA+ HR BF AB 2B 3B IBB HBP SH SF GDP SB CS Pk BK WP BA OBP SLG OPS
OPS+ Pit Str
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26
Derek Lowe 74 11 2009 36 ATL NL 24 24 0 0 0 7 .611 0 143 155 70 66 45 4.15 101 8 618 555 34 4 5 3 9 6 16 9 2 1 1 3 .279 .333 .398 .731 0 2341 1457
27
Aaron Cook 73 10 2009 30 COL NL 23 23 1 1 0 4 .714 0 139.2 156 64 61 41 3.93 115 16 596 546 28 5 2 1 3 5 18 4 4 3 0 1 .286 .334 .443 .777 0 2126 1320
28
Braden Looper 73 10 2009 34 MIL NL 23 23 0 0 0 5 .667 0 132 142 77 71 46 4.84 87 27 578 521 24 4 2 3 4 4 13 4 3 2 0 5 .273 .333 .489 .822 0 2222 1375
29
Jason Marquis 72 12 2009 30 COL NL 22 22 2 1 0 8 .600 0 150.1 145 67 61 48 3.65 124 11 629 571 28 4 3 3 3 4 17 11 3 0 1 4 .254 .313 .375 .688 0 2170 1358
30
Jamie Moyer 69 10 2009 46 PHI NL 22 22 0 0 0 9 .526 0 123.1 148 77 75 38 5.47 79 22 550 493 24 2 1 8 7 4 7 13 4 3 1 0 .300 .357 .491 .848 0 2106 1330
31
Joel Pineiro 67 10 2009 30 STL NL 22 22 3 2 0 9 .526 0 148.1 151 63 53 15 3.22 130 4 593 560 42 2 0 5 9 4 21 0 2 0 0 2 .270 .293 .373 .666 0 2032 1357
32
Scott Feldman 65 11 2009 26 TEX AL 23 20 0 0 0 4 .733 0 125.2 115 57 56 41 4.01 112 14 513 467 21 0 0 4 0 1 16 12 5 0 2 5 .246 .312 .381 .693 0 2090 1257
33
Tim Wakefield 61 11 2009 42 BOS AL 17 17 2 0 0 3 .786 0 108.2 113 52 52 37 4.31 110 8 474 425 30 0 0 9 2 1 11 14 2 0 0 3 .266 .337 .393 .730 0 1654 1050
34
Rick Porcello 56 10 2009 20 DET AL 20 20 0 0 0 7 .588 0 111 118 58 53 38 4.30 106 17 471 431 16 1 0 1 1 0 19 7 2 0 1 3 .274 .334 .434 .768 0 1760 1088


List compiled 10 aug 2009 via http://www.baseball-reference.com/

and the wonderful Player Index function they offer there, the list is sorted by all 10 or more game winners and then in order by strikeouts

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3 comments:

  1. How many of those 10 game winners have an era over 5?

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  2. Stange moves? This is the only move that makes sense. You brought in Pedro to start. He deserves a shot at staring. Jamie is the worst starter the Phillies have so He goes. How you compare him to Lincecum and Pedro is ridiculous. I know he's a great guy and did a lot last year, well that was last year. This is the MLB. Jerry Rice was one of if not the best receiver ever. Would you want him on your team at the end of the year?

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  3. Throwing in Lincecum was a reach, I'll admit that, but I still don't think you bench the veteran who was 24 combined wins for the team over 2 seasons now to go with Pedro who just was signed.

    What happened to loyalty?


    A few starters have an ERA over 5 just look at the stats... it's there.

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